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VisualEditor News #1—2015[Bearbeiten]

19:30, 5. Feb. 2015 (CET)

Interlanguage links are displayed as interwikillinks until saving[Bearbeiten]

Hi, I hope I can describe this bug well enough so everybody can understand it.

When I want to insert an interwikilink (i.e. a standard link to a different language wiki), I highlight the word I want to link, click on "link", then insert ":$prefix:$pagename". This works just fine. However, when I accidentally omit the leading colon, as in "$prefix:$pagename", VisualEditor still treats it as an interwikilinked word on the page itself, although it isn't - it's an interlanguage link. After saving, the interlanguage link, mistakenly inserted, is now treated as such and shows up in the menu bar on the left. Which means that VisualEditor apparently doesn't know the difference and so the user can't differentiate between the two.

I hope this makes sense. Please let me know if I should clarify something. --Gnom (Diskussion) 02:26, 15. Feb. 2015 (CET)

Just to clarify the terms:
  • „interwikilink“ means: [[:en:Main Page]]
  • „interlanguage“ means: [[en:Main Page]]
Greetings --PerfektesChaos 12:13, 15. Feb. 2015 (CET)
I think I understood - I just don't know what could be done about it. If you checked your changes before saving, you would see that the link is missing the colon. If the only way to add interlanguage links today was via Wikidata, VE could probably warn about the mistake and even reject it, but MediaWiki still allows adding interlanguage links manually, so for what VE knows, that could still be a valid addition. What would you like VE to do in such a situation? Thanks! --Elitre (WMF) (Diskussion) 15:48, 19. Feb. 2015 (CET)
I understood something different from the initial message:
  • If you happen to omit the colon in source code editing and request preview, nothing of the link is displayed. If you discover the gap, since something is missing in the sentence, you may add the colon now.
  • Taking from the description above (I did not test), the interlanguage is displayed in VE as regular linked term, but vanishes after saving, since an interlanguage is not visible in page text.
  • Interlanguages should be always invisible in VE, perhaps leaving an extraordinary mark instead.
Regards --PerfektesChaos 10:35, 20. Feb. 2015 (CET)
Thanks, PerfektesChaos, that's just what I meant. Could you turn this into a VE bug report, Elitre? Thanks, --Gnom (Diskussion) 15:11, 22. Feb. 2015 (CET)
I added this on [1]. I think this was going to change anyway when a good integration between Wikidata and VE is possible. That's why the Optionen menu has always had a Sprachen "placeholder" section. I believe Parsoid is required to tell VE "that's an interlanguage link! it needs to stay in the left column!" but I might be wrong :) Best, --Elitre (WMF) (Diskussion) 16:54, 25. Feb. 2015 (CET)
Thanks a bunch, Elitre (WMF)! Best, --Gnom (Diskussion) 17:08, 25. Feb. 2015 (CET)

Bildunterschriften nicht bearbeitbar[Bearbeiten]

Wie kann man die Bildunterschriften bearbeiten?

Danke. Phototropismus (Diskussion) 11:42, 15. Feb. 2015 (CET)

HI, see mw:Help:VisualEditor/User_guide/de#Editing_images. (Sorry, it's supposed to be in German, but the translations for the user guide in your language are a bit behind - just 25% complete. Please let me know if you can help with that!) --Elitre (WMF) (Diskussion) 15:51, 19. Feb. 2015 (CET)

Again: hyphens and quotation marks Punctuation[Bearbeiten]

Hi, I just watched the March Monthly Metrics and Activities Meeting and I am looking forward to the "final" release of VisualEditor! Please forgive me for bringing up a topic that we discussed earlier: In VisualEditor, it is really hard to insert typographically correct German quotation marks („“, not "")1 and hyphens n-dashes (–, not -). In the Wikitext editor, inserting these characters takes one click, thanks to the extended editing tool bar. In VisualEditor, it takes four. Please find a way to change this. Otherwise, we will have to run after users inserting incorrect punctuation even more than we already do. Thanks, --Gnom (Diskussion) 22:50, 8. Mär. 2015 (CET)

1 Switzerland-related articles use French quotation marks («»).

I would like to add that Gnom's advice indeed holds true for most PC systems, except for the Mac. However, we also still cannot enter non-breaking spaces as we used to in wikitext as a HTML entity. We addressed this issue earlier, too. All these features are a must for serious editing.--Aschmidt (Diskussion) 23:28, 8. Mär. 2015 (CET)
Please note: The longer guys “–” are called “dashes”, and in German typography the shorter “n-dash” is to be used, while US mostly uses an “m-dash” like this “—” one. “Hyphens” are required to join words, and the ASCII “-” as available on keyboard is entirely sufficient. The typographical dashes in the project language(s) as well as quotation marks are available on tool bars below the text area on all Wikis when source text editing mode is used. The required entity is  . Greetings --PerfektesChaos 23:39, 8. Mär. 2015 (CET)
Thank you, PerfektesChaos, should be corrected now. Also seconding Aschmidt: I use non-breaking spaces all the time, they should be possible in VisualEditor as well. Thanks, --Gnom (Diskussion) 08:00, 9. Mär. 2015 (CET)
Hi all, thanks for your notes. As you'll recall, the quotation marks were added at some point; is there any other character which is required? Please add it to MediaWiki:Visualeditor-specialcharinspector-characterlist-insert, or let me know. About the character inserter itself, please test the new version at (notice the Omega is on the toolbar now), and please leave related feedback here. Last but not least, in order to draw more attention to T70429 and [2], I would appreciate a set of examples/diffs to show how much needed this is. Thanks a lot for your help with this, and have a nice week. --Elitre (WMF) (Diskussion) 13:28, 9. Mär. 2015 (CET)
Thanks, Elitre! I commented on the new character inserter on the Mediawiki wiki. Examples for the importance of the non-breaking space include the following: Our typography rules call for a non-breaking space when discussing units and abbreviations ("a marathon is run over a distance of 42.195 km" calls for 42.195 km; "water boils at 100 °C" requires 100 °C; "Mary Shelley created the character of Dr. Frankenstein" includes Dr. Frankenstein). I frequently use it in every law-related article in relation to the "§" sign, an example for this would be the article on Mietvertrag (Deutschland). Thanks again for your great help, --Gnom (Diskussion) 15:45, 11. Mär. 2015 (CET)
I'll quote you on this. Danke, --Elitre (WMF) (Diskussion) 18:22, 11. Mär. 2015 (CET)
Elitre (WMF), what also strikes me is that the character set for Esperanto is not complete. Probably the Esperanto community still is not aware of the changes ahead. In wikitext special characters are input on eowiki using the x notation, e.g. ux results in ŭ. This does not work in VE, however. For writing in Esperanto, we still need these characters in the Ω palette of symbols and accents in VE: ĉ, ĝ, ĥ, ĵ, ŝ, and ŭ, both minor and capital characters. These characters usually are not available on Windows keyboards, you will find them, e.g., on a Mac using the US-extended keyboard, or on some desktop environments available for Linux. You cannot write proper Esperanto without these characters, so this is really essential. – Thx.--Aschmidt (Diskussion) 19:34, 14. Mär. 2015 (CET)
Thanks for your note, Aschmidt. I think that all the tool-related messages sent in the past, and even the help pages on, point to MediaWiki:Visualeditor-specialcharinspector-characterlist-insert, which is the page that each wiki can freely edit to add the most needed characters for their language (it shows JSON code, but that shouldn't scare sysops, which are the ones who usually edit pages in the Mediawiki namespace). If you can think of a more effective way to convey the concept that editing the character set is as easy as it seems (no request for permission or Phabricator ticket required!), I'd love to hear it :) Best, --Elitre (WMF) (Diskussion) 22:42, 14. Mär. 2015 (CET)
Thanks for pointing me to that page, but please note that the characters I have mentioned above are not there, neither in the list for dewiki nor for eowiki. It should be included because, as I said, you need those characters for writing the universal language.--Aschmidt (Diskussion) 22:47, 14. Mär. 2015 (CET)
All the wikis have the same, small and basic set, so I would encourage you to add those characters to the wikis which really need them, that was my point ;) --Elitre (WMF) (Diskussion) 22:53, 14. Mär. 2015 (CET) PS: sometimes it takes a while for the change to go live, but that's not important.
Right, but I cannot edit eo:MediaWiki:Visualeditor-specialcharinspector-characterlist-insert. ;) --Aschmidt (Diskussion) 22:56, 14. Mär. 2015 (CET)
So what does a user do in these situations? He asks a local sysop (as vaguely suggested before) ;) --Elitre (WMF) (Diskussion) 23:00, 14. Mär. 2015 (CET)
Done. ;) Have a nice rest of the weekend! :) --Aschmidt (Diskussion) 23:33, 14. Mär. 2015 (CET)
See? We can all live happily ever after :) --Elitre (WMF) (Diskussion) 11:55, 15. Mär. 2015 (CET)

Flagged revisions[Bearbeiten]

Wenn ich mit dem Visual-Editor eine Seite bearbeitet und gespeichert habe, erscheint oben rechts fälschlicherweise die Markierung, dass der Artikel nicht gesichtet sei. Wenn ich die Seite einfach neu lade, ist die Markierung weg. Problem dabei ist, dass der VE für die Markierung Platz in Form einer Randspalte lässt und den Text entsprechend zusammenstaucht. Das stört ziemlich beim Bearbeiten. Der Fehler tritt seit rund zwei bis drei Wochen auf. MfG Chewbacca2205 Gamepad.svg 16:36, 14. Mär. 2015 (CET)

Das wurde hier bereits angesprochen. Es gibt auch bereits einen Phabricator-Eintrag. Was ich nicht verstehe, ist, warum sich nicht jemand, der sich damit auskennt, mal 15 Minuten Zeit nimmt und das schnell repariert. Das kann doch nicht so schwer sein … ?? Troubled @sset  Work    Talk    Mail   20:17, 14. Mär. 2015 (CET)

SPAN tags after copy 'n' paste[Bearbeiten]

This is a another annoying bug which occurs after copying and pasting some text while editing in VE. The SPAN tags have to be removed manually afterwards. There is no apparent reason for including these tags.--Aschmidt (Diskussion) 01:15, 31. Mär. 2015 (CEST)

Hey Aschmidt, I just asked the product manager, and we both seem to remember this was fixed - and the code should go live this week. Hope this helps, --Elitre (WMF) (Diskussion) 01:19, 31. Mär. 2015 (CEST)
That would indeed be fine. I'll give it another try in a few days. – Thx, Elitre (WMF)!--Aschmidt (Diskussion) 01:47, 31. Mär. 2015 (CEST)
Sure. Try toward the end of the week, and if it still doesn't work, we'll shout more. (I have a colleague whose browser tends to cause that bug from time to time, and I'm looking forward for the day I don't have to clean up after her!). Best, --Elitre (WMF) (Diskussion) 01:51, 31. Mär. 2015 (CEST)
FWIW, I used Safari 7.1.4 for the said edit…--Aschmidt (Diskussion) 03:21, 31. Mär. 2015 (CEST)
I know: I believe it's one of those bugs which only affect Safari. --Elitre (WMF) (Diskussion) 10:57, 31. Mär. 2015 (CEST)

Aschmidt, the dev thinks he's killed this bug—but he's not sure, because he was killing <span lang="XX"> tags, and the plain <span> tags might be a different bug with VisualEditor in Safari. The update should appear in two hours or so. If you see more of these (maybe tomorrow or the next day?), then please post a diff for Ed. Thanks, Whatamidoing (WMF) (Diskussion) 19:25, 22. Apr. 2015 (CEST)

VisualEditor News #2—2015[Bearbeiten]

21:48, 10. Apr. 2015 (CEST)

Text markieren und fetten[Bearbeiten]

Wenn man in einer Liste von Links (z.B. VfB) eine Zeile markiert und fett macht, dann wird der Quelltext etwas ungünstig geändert.

  • [[VfB Stuttgart]], achtgrößter Sportverein Deutschlands - vorher
  • [[VfB Stuttgart|'''VfB Stuttgart''']]''', achtgrößter Sportverein Deutschlands''' - so erstellt es der VisualEditor
  • '''[[VfB Stuttgart]], achtgrößter Sportverein Deutschlands''' - so sollte es sein.

Ansonsten bin ich recht zufrieden mit dem VisualEditor und hoffe, dass er bald das Standardbearbeitungswerkzeug wird. Alex42 (Diskussion) 23:35, 14. Apr. 2015 (CEST)

Aber wir müssen auch [[Foo|dies ''und'' das]] haben, und nicht [[Foo|dies]] ''[[Foo|und]]'' [[Foo|das]]. Whatamidoing (WMF) (Diskussion) 20:33, 22. Apr. 2015 (CEST)
Hi Whatamidoing (WMF), could you explain? I don't understand your answer. (Also pinging Alex42.) Also, I don't understand the Phabricator bug link that you inserted... Thanks, --Gnom (Diskussion) 23:04, 22. Apr. 2015 (CEST)
If you always put the character styling outside the link formatting, then link labels ("dies und das") that contain mixed formatting ("dies und das") will have to be split into multiple links.
(I added the Phabricator task, which is related but not exactly this simpler case.) Whatamidoing (WMF) (Diskussion) 19:13, 23. Apr. 2015 (CEST)

Knopf "Eine technische Aufgabe einreichen"[Bearbeiten]

User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/41.0.2272.118 Safari/537.36

Habe jetzt zwei Rückmeldungen verloren, da ich nicht oben auf senden sondern unten auf "Eine technische Aufgabe einreichen" geklickt habe. Bitte unmissverständlicher aufbauen.

Conny 08:29, 17. Apr. 2015 (CEST)

Ping an Conny: Whatamidoing (WMF) hat dein Problem auf Phabricator gemeldet. Gruß, --Gnom (Diskussion) 23:06, 22. Apr. 2015 (CEST)
Danke euch. Conny 09:44, 23. Apr. 2015 (CEST).

automatically add current date in online sorces[Bearbeiten]

User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:37.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/37.0

Just a simple thing which would make editing much easier: Please automatically add the current date in the field "access date" if you're adding online sources as references.

This way is maybe also the best way to "explain" the format which you should enter there.

rugk (Diskussion) 20:27, 21. Apr. 2015 (CEST)

This is available now in mw:Citoid, which is not currently active at this Wikipedia. It will also be available eventually via TemplateData's "autofill" parameter in citation templates. Whatamidoing (WMF) (Diskussion) 20:43, 22. Apr. 2015 (CEST)
Ping an rugk. Gruß, --Gnom (Diskussion) 23:08, 22. Apr. 2015 (CEST)
Okay, great. --rugk (Diskussion) 23:15, 22. Apr. 2015 (CEST)

Special character inserter change[Bearbeiten]

Hi, something has changed with the special character inserter. I can't access our default list of frequently used characters any more. Can someone help? --Gnom (Diskussion) 09:25, 22. Apr. 2015 (CEST)

Grüß dich, Gnom,
I think you need the new instructions at mw:VisualEditor/Special characters. The page has changed. Whatamidoing (WMF) (Diskussion) 19:13, 22. Apr. 2015 (CEST)
Coincidentally, I just asked our admins [3] to extend the VisualEditor special characters list to resemble the standard special characters list of the wiki text editor, as the new VE list strangely lacked important characters such as the ndash (Gedankenstrich), and German and Swiss (Guillemets) quotes. --Mps、かみまみたDisk. 19:26, 22. Apr. 2015 (CEST)
Guillemets are on my mind, because the way that VisualEditor's special character tool handles them is deficient. What we want is to select the word and have both „“ appear with one click. What we have now is first click „ and then type the word and last click “. It is not very efficient. Whatamidoing (WMF) (Diskussion) 20:48, 22. Apr. 2015 (CEST)
Yes, this too. But aside from this, as I understood it the new special character list of the VE was implemented with the goal to be consistent with the special characters list of the "Enhanced editing toolbar" of the wiki text editor. But obviously this is not the case for the "Symbols" category. --Mps、かみまみたDisk. 21:21, 22. Apr. 2015 (CEST)
Hi Whatamidoing (WMF), thank you for pointing out the change. I am confused because I originally worked with Elitre (WMF) on MediaWiki:Visualeditor-specialcharinspector-characterlist-insert - what happened to this page? Is it now obsolete? Mps, thank you for taking care of this, can we work on consolidating the two lists somehow? Also, I would like to second the request regarding the "wraparound" quotation marks. Thanks, --Gnom (Diskussion) 23:16, 22. Apr. 2015 (CEST)
I don't know how I/we could consolidate both lists (if this question was aimed at me) as this seems to be a VisualEditor issue and thus needs to be corrected on the developers side. Local wiki installations can only alter the "Often used" (here "Oft genutzt") special char category. However, as the only difference between both lists seem to be in the "Symbols" category and the missing symbols are now included in the "Often used" category, the issue is at least mitigated. --Mps、かみまみたDisk. 23:28, 22. Apr. 2015 (CEST)
Hey Gnom, yes, you don't need the old page anymore. I'm still not seeing the new section at the top of the character inserter, but that should only be a cache issue, I'll let you know more later. Thanks! --Elitre (WMF) (Diskussion) 11:19, 23. Apr. 2015 (CEST) PS: I just chatted with James F. about this, and he'll find out (and likely fix at the same time) what the issue is ASAP. Thanks for your patience, --Elitre (WMF) (Diskussion) 18:58, 23. Apr. 2015 (CEST)
In the meantime, check progress of (and, unrelated, of :) --Elitre (WMF) (Diskussion) 11:37, 23. Apr. 2015 (CEST)
As an update, whatever the issue was, it seems to be gone now. If you want to change the name of the new group to "Oft genutzt", then please feel free to change MediaWiki:Visualeditor-special-characters-group-other. Thank you! --Elitre (WMF) (Diskussion) 17:55, 24. Apr. 2015 (CEST)

Mps, you said that the "Symbols" category is different. Has the "Symbols" category for the Enhanced editing toolbar been customized locally? (If it has, then I wonder if VIsualEditor is using the local copy or the default.) Whatamidoing (WMF) (Diskussion) 19:10, 23. Apr. 2015 (CEST)

I've looked at our code and as far as I could see we do not change the list using the means described in --Mps、かみまみたDisk. 20:53, 23. Apr. 2015 (CEST)
Phew. Now can we have wraparound quotation marks? I can't change these pages, you know... Thanks, --Gnom (Diskussion) 12:26, 25. Apr. 2015 (CEST)

Copy and Paste von Einzelnachweisen (Problem gelöst)[Bearbeiten]

Ich bin begeistert wie leicht man inzwischen Einzelnachweise auch mit der Vorlage:Literatur einfügen kann, danke! Wenn man auch noch Einzelnachweise von einem Artikel in einen anderen kopieren könnte, wäre das echt Luxus. Ich hoffe der Editor wird bald offiziell eingeführt. Schöne Grüße --Christian Stroppel (Diskussion) 10:13, 30. Apr. 2015 (CEST)

Gelöst: Es war mein Fehler. Man muss beide Artikel mit dem VisalEditor öffnen, dann geht es! Ich hatte die Textvorlage beim Kopieren im normalen Artikel geöffnet. Vielleicht kann man das dem naiven Nutzer, später in der Beschreibung erklären. Danke nochmal! --Christian Stroppel (Diskussion) 10:31, 30. Apr. 2015 (CEST)