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Yes, you're quite right, I have drawn rather more definite conclusions from the evidence than it will bear. In particular I assumed that the name was Hooker's. If I had done what I ought to have done (and since have), and looked at Hooker's original description in Curt. Bot. Mag. 74 (1848), 4394, I would have read what he says: "I willingly adopt a name by which this plant is said to be known upon the Continent, although I have failed to find the place where any such name is recorded." You seem to have had more success than Hooker, though if Karl Schumann is right, it would appear that F.E.L. (alias Fedor Bogdanovič) von Fischer named the plant but did not describe it and moreover it isn't recorded in any of the Petersburg Indices Seminum from the 1840s. In such a case it would appear that he probably did not leave any record of which Leuchtenberg he had in mind. This in turn means that we shall never have a definitive answer to the question. However, I still think that the balance of probability is strongly in favour of Maximilian, firstly because of his botanical interests (I have not found any suggestion that they were shared by his father), and secondly because of the Petersburg connexion. Maximilian married the Tsar's daughter, Grand Princess Marija Nikolaevna, on 2nd July 1839, which would be a strong motivation for the Director of the Imperial Botanical Garden to name a plant after him shortly afterwards; again, no particular reason to name it after the first Duke. This is all circumstantial, I admit, but nevertheless convincing.
Thank you also for pointing out that M. was Herzog, rather than Fürst, von Leuchtenberg (though he was Fürst von Eichstädt too): I shall correct this in the article. Лудольф 11:50, 30. Jan. 2009 (CET)
Hello Лудольф, please excuse my bad English, I hope I can phrase somewhat comprehendible. At first, thank you for your answer. It is interesting for me what you found in Hookers original description in Curt. Bot. Mag. 74 (1848), 4394 )BTW: How can I read this, is it published in the web?). There are 4.900 "Google-hits" for "Leuchtenbergia Maximilian", and about 4.630 for "Leuchtenbergia Eugene". I agree to you that it is more presumably, that Ernst Ludwig von Fischer (1782-1854) wanted to dignify Maximilian Eugen Joseph (1817-1852), third duke of Leuchtenberg, if we have no other original records form Hooker or Fischer. BTW: The first name of F.E.L. von Fischer was Fedor Bogdanovič? Why did he change his name? Which nationality did he have before? An other question: In the german Wikipedia you can presently read, that Leuchtenbergia principis looks like dry grass (Mimese). I don't believe this, more Leuchtenbergia looks like an agave. Do you know the accompaniing vegatation of the Leuchtenbergia in situ? I found: Agave lechuguilla and a rosette-forming yucca. Do you know which species of yucca? Is it really Mimese? I suppose that it is a confusion with Toumeya papyracantha, ("Gramma Grass Cactus"), but I am not convinced, that it is Mimese there with Gramma Grass, more the Gramma Grass nearby the cactus is protected by the cactus ... ;-) Can I copy our discussion here in the discussion of the german Wikipedia-article Leuchtenmbergia principis? Very nice, to can discuss with you, respects, --Schratmaki 19:26, 30. Jan. 2009 (CET)